so, you know, we're talking about long term versus less long term, short-term money here. i think that's the way the governor would explain it. i do think that selling this to the public is tough. to say we don't have money to do more than what we're doing, but we've got this grand vision that we have to spend money for. he's got to find a way to explain that, i think, to californians. >> john, real quickly. what about education? still a top priority for him. what does he plan to do with that? >> i think california -- i think education, rather, is the big fight of 2013. i really would tell people to pay attention to this one. the governor's plan in brief would loosen the rules that sacramento makes on local schools and how they spend their money. he would also send more money to schools with poor children and english learners. that means that you're going to have money shifted away from some suburban schools, from some rural schools. that's a huge fight. and i think, you know, what we think that's going to be versus the political fight we're going to have, it's really going to be one to watch. >> all right. and we will be watching. so will you, john. thanks so much for joining us.